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GoneNomad
If anyone has a Garmin PND with the most recent map (or at least fairly recent),
would you search for this POI in the Saint Louis, MO area:

"Tri Pro Graphics"

..and let me know what address it comes up with?

I tried this on a Garmin DriveSmart 61 on display at BestBuy, but that unit may have an older map on it.


Thanks!
Boyd
Tri Pro Graphics & Packaging 1550 Ocello Dr, Fenton MO

Also finds the same company in Springfield IL, Decatur IL and Bloomington IN

THis was a DriveSmart 61 with the map that originally came with it (2017.30), there are several newer versions now but I don't especially care.
Ken in Regina
I get these in CNNA 2019.2 on Mapsource, Basecamp, Nuvi 2597LMT and Nuvi 765T.

Tri Pro Graphics & Packaging
2422 E Washington St
Bloomington, IL 61704
309-664-5875

Tri Pro Graphics & Packaging
3280 N Woodford St
Decatur, IL 62526
217-872-1350

Tri Pro Graphics & Packaging
1550 Ocello Dr
Fenton, MO 63026
636-343-8222

...ken...
Boyd
These are the same ones I found on the DriveSmart 61 with the old map. I just assumed it was Bloomington IN because the state wasn't showing on the initial search screen, so I'm sure ken is correct with Bloomington IL instead.
Ken in Regina
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boyd
These are the same ones I found on the DriveSmart 61 with the old map. I just assumed it was Bloomington IN because the state wasn't showing on the initial search screen, so I'm sure ken is correct with Bloomington IL instead.
Yep, cut/pasted directly from the Mapsource properties for each. If they're wrong it's Garmin's fault, not mine.

...ken...
GoneNomad
Ken & Boyd - Thanks for checking this.

Tri Pro has offices in those other cities, but the one in St. Louis was the one I was interested in, because that is the same address I got on the DriveSmart 61 on display at BestBuy:
1550 Ocello Dr.
Fenton, MO 63026

The correct address is:

3505 Tree Court Industrial Blvd.
St. Louis, MO 63122
Tri Pro has been at this location at least 4 years.
The google maps street view image dated 2013 shows the vacancy/moving sign at the old address in Fenton.

I was especially interested in this because a friend mentioned/complained about how google maps/nav guided her to Tri Pro (at the correct location) when she was headed north on I-270.

This is TMI, but FWIW: since there is no northbound exit where you need to exit, google directed her to the next exit, then had her get right back on I-270 southbound, and she thought that was really bad because it didn't let her know ahead of time that she needed to stay in the leftmost lane (and traffic was heavy at the time). So I checked several different sites & apps (and the Garmin DS61) to see how they'd handle it.

Much to my surprise, only google unequivocally has the correct address.

Mapquest and Bing have BOTH the Ocello Dr. & TreeCourt addresses, but TreeCourt is first on Mapquest's list, and 2nd on Bing, so Mapquest actually beat Bing in this case.


Here and all the others were even worse. TomTom has the Ocello Dr. address and an even older address. CoPilot could not find Tri Pro AT ALL, even if doing an online search (which in v10.x uses YELP, not exactly the best source for non-retail company info), but I guess that's better than finding the wrong location.

The point is, as much as she didn't like google not giving her enough of a heads up that she needed to stay in the extreme left lane and get back on the interstate, it would have been a *LOT* worse if she'd be directed to a location that was several miles away, and that would be especially annoying since the old address hasn't been correct for at least FOUR years.

So this is an example of the type of non-retail business that google does a much better job of finding, better even than Bing (as of now). Locations like this are probably good to add to the test suite of locations that map/nav apps tend to not find (even though they should).

Guys, thanks again for checking that.


PS: FWIW, using the same starting and destination address, Streets & Trips comes up with the same default route as google.
Ken in Regina
That's interesting. I just finished (5 minutes ago!) reading a WIRED article about precisely this issue:

https://www.wired.com/story/streetcred-mapping-cryptocurrency-needs-you/

WIRED has a paywall so if you've exceeded your free article limit (I think it's 3 per month or something) you won't be able to read it.

In any case, the relevant comments are:

"For regular folk, detailed, reliable mapping info is helpful. For businesses, it can be crucial. Some want to be found when a map user searches for the nearest sandwich shop. Others use products that rely on base maps—think Uber, the Weather Channel, your car’s navigation system—and require up-to-date location data. “One of the huge challenges to any geographic database is its currency,” says Renee Sieber, a geographer who studies participatory mapping at McGill University. That is to say, yesterday’s map is no good to anybody doing business today."

It goes on to a lot of description about the options, and examples, about ways to keep map data up to date, and how well they may or may not work.

...ken...
Ken in Regina
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoneNomad
Ken & Boyd - Thanks for checking this.

Tri Pro has offices in those other cities, but the one in St. Louis was the one I was interested in, because that is the same address I got on the DriveSmart 61 on display at BestBuy:
1550 Ocello Dr.
Fenton, MO 63026

The correct address is:

3505 Tree Court Industrial Blvd.
St. Louis, MO 63122
Tri Pro has been at this location at least 4 years.
The google maps street view image dated 2013 shows the vacancy/moving sign at the old address in Fenton.

...
For what it's worth, I just finished updating to CNNA 2019.3 and it still shows it at the Fenton address.

...ken...
GoneNomad
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
That's interesting. I just finished (5 minutes ago!) reading a WIRED article about precisely this issue:

https://www.wired.com/story/streetcred-mapping-cryptocurrency-needs-you/

...
It goes on to a lot of description about the options, and examples, about ways to keep map data up to date, and how well they may or may not work.
...ken...
Thanks for that.
Turns out I have 3 free articles available to me.
Here's another one I stumbled across that is revealing (but comes as no surprise to me):
Dr. Elon & Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell
GoneNomad
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
For what it's worth, I just finished updating to CNNA 2019.3 and it still shows it at the Fenton address.
...ken...
This experience re-confirms the need to use something like google.com/maps to find the POI's location or address, then use whatever trip planning and/or nav app works best with those addresses. Win10 Maps allows one-line addresses to be pasted in; Streets & Trips does too (as long as the address is in it's database). That's something CoPilot does not do. And Android, being so touch-optimized, doesn't make copy & pasting nearly as easy as Windows.

I keep meaning to do an updated comparison of how well the google maps/nav app can find POIs without a network connection (just using the locally cached map area), but if it's like it was in the past, it doesn't do nearly as well working just off of the local map data.

But with LTE data connectivity becoming available in ever-more remote areas, the advantage of having a mobile-data-enabled device (or at least connected to data via hotspot) for navigation is ever more clear (especially considering how useful it is in winter to see actual road conditions on DOT webcams). That's something PND makers have avoided, to their detriment, as their market share dwindles.


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Ken in Regina
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoneNomad
Thanks for that.
Turns out I have 3 free articles available to me.
Here's another one I stumbled across that is revealing (but comes as no surprise to me):
Dr. Elon & Mr. Musk: Life Inside Tesla's Production Hell
Yes, I read that one a couple days ago. Kinda scary. Certainly not a place I would last long with my mouth.

...ken...
werdnanostaw
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken in Regina
That's interesting. I just finished (5 minutes ago!) reading a WIRED article about precisely this issue:

https://www.wired.com/story/streetcred-mapping-cryptocurrency-needs-you/

WIRED has a paywall so if you've exceeded your free article limit (I think it's 3 per month or something) you won't be able to read it.

In any case, the relevant comments are:

"For regular folk, detailed, reliable mapping info is helpful. For businesses, it can be crucial. Some want to be found when a map user searches for the nearest sandwich shop. Others use products that rely on base maps—think Uber, the Weather Channel, your car’s navigation system—and require up-to-date location data. “One of the huge challenges to any geographic database is its currency,” says Renee Sieber, a geographer who studies participatory mapping at McGill University. That is to say, yesterday’s map is no good to anybody doing business today."

It goes on to a lot of description about the options, and examples, about ways to keep map data up to date, and how well they may or may not work.

...ken...
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werdnanostaw
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Originally Posted by werdnanostaw
Right click. Open in Incognito mode. Works on most views/month limited sites.
Posted from Trapani at North West corner of Sicily.
Ken in Regina
Quote:
Originally Posted by werdnanostaw
Posted from Trapani at North West corner of Sicily.
I hope your trip is going well.

Don't get to close to Mt Etna!!

...ken...
GoneNomad
I mentioned this in a post in another thread:
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoneNomad
...FWIW, a few weeks ago when I tried out a Garmin Drivesmart 61 at Best Buy, it was unable to find Echo Bluff State Park either by name or by the address (34489 Echo Bluff Dr, Eminence, MO 65466).

Echo Bluff State Park has been open to the public since July 30, 2016.
I'm sure the Drivesmart 61 I was testing at Best Buy was unable to find Echo Bluff State Park by name, but now I'm wondering if I even had the address with me at the time.

So Ken, when you get a chance, see if the latest Garmin map (2019.3) has this address:

34489 Echo Bluff Dr, Eminence, MO 65466

PS: I may have asked already Ken to check that on one of his Garmin PNDs back in October 2018 when I first posted about the problems both google and bing were having routing to / or finding that POI. But I can't seem to find a post or a PM about that. But it's probably worth checking again with the newest (2019.3) map anyway.

Thanks!
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